Skip to main content

Some thoughts on Git vs complexity


I originally wrote this in the Git For Human Beings mailing list. The thoughts are stolen from Rich Hickey's Simple Made Easy talk. (Matthew McCullough commented the same parallel the same day, but I think his timestamp was a few hours afterwards). I wanted to tweet about it, but it ended up being a whole post, as I'm trying to gather my thoughts on it for my next Git talk.

There's simple stuff, and there's easy stuff.

Simple means the opposite of complex. Easy, on the other hand, means it's very close to the stuff you already know. Git is "simple" but hard. Subversion is "easy", but eventually complex.

Git is *a lot* of features in one tool (think of the 100+ git plumbing commands). Each feature is simple, but learning to use them together is good bit of work. As soon as you've understood the model and you get that Eureka-moment, the tool never fails you, and you find it more and more fun to use the more you learn. (This is why there are so many git enthusiasts, I reckon.)

Subversion has a very limited set of features.It also turns awfully complex when you want to do stuff like merging. Actually the more I learned about Subversion, and the more I used it, the more frustrating I found it.

Why is Subversion complex?

- Because the stuff on the server is something different from what you have locally. Your local checkout is just a thin skin. All the interaction goes over the network with a really thin and crappy API. It’s like reading a book using binoculars. The same information is there, but it’s horrible to get at it.

- Everybody is tangled together using the same repository. People start making mistakes like committing without updating first. Everyone mis-use trunk as their own sandbox. This is complexity too (everything in one bucket).

- It mixes together committing, and pushing the changes to central. A commit should do one thing, and one thing well, and the reasoning should be in the commit message. Some are refactorings, others are feature-changes.

- Because branches are completely disconnected - there’s nothing that ties them together, except being a lot like each other. That’s how merging in Subversion works: “I assume that these two directories will be very similar”, and if they aren’t, BOOM.

Git, on the other hand, is simple: It all boils down to being three kinds of objects in a graph (commits, blobs, trees), and the rest of it are algorithms that work this data-structure.

Comments

  1. And then there is Mercurial, which does the same thing as Git, but apparently is a lot easier, which is why I would never use Git unless forced to. ;-)

    ReplyDelete
  2. Hi Christian, thanks for commenting!

    Yeah, I think Mercurial retained a much more user-friendly interface from early on. The last two years it seems like Git has caught up a lot on the user-friendliness, while Mercurial has added a lot of features inspired by git.

    I had a nice discussion with Martin Geisler (Mercurial committer) at a conference earlier this year, and we pretty much arrived at that you can do anything in Mercurial that you can do with Git (minus some features of the git reflog, I think).

    Performance-wise, they're as good as equal.

    I ended up focusing on Git because of the SVN-interoperability being better at what I was trying to do at the time. I wouldn't mind switching to Mercurial if the circumstances were different, but now it seems like Git has the lead "out there".

    Is Mercurial easier than Git? I'd say yes, because the branching model is a bit easier to grok coming from centralized VCS. Is it simpler than Git? I'd say it's about the same..

    ReplyDelete
  3. Interesting. I ran across this tangentially (I wrote a site based on my experiences trying to learn Git, and was vanity-surfing for links to it, and noticed this at http://coder.io/tag/git). That's a really useful distinction (simple vs. easy) that I'll have to try to incorporate into my own thinking, so thanks for that!

    You're absolutely right to place Git in the "simple but hard" category. I spent my first year or two flailing around, cargo-culting incantations, and generally wasting a lot of time because I didn't grok the model. Unfortunately, while there are a lot of Git enthusiasts, the number of people who seem to be able to effectively teach others how to experience the Git Epiphany is... rather smaller. ;>

    Feel free to steal anything you find useful from my site (http://think-like-a-git.net), and I'd be happy to compare notes sometime.

    Cheers,
    -Sam

    ReplyDelete
  4. Hi Sam, thanks for commenting!

    I'm already a big fan of your Git guide, came across it some time ago. I really appreciate the style of it, and how it's aimed at beginners. Thanks for creating it!

    ReplyDelete
  5. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, as a git novice I appreciate them. However, I found your use of "simple" versus "complex" somehow confusing. I think Jurgen Appelo has found a helpful interpretation of these terms. Maybe you like it as well :-) http://www.noop.nl/2010/09/simplicity-a-new-model.html

    ReplyDelete
  6. Thanks for commenting Christoph!

    Yeah, I could have tried to write a clearer message, but this post was a bit more thinking-out-loud-writing :)

    Appelo's model is interesting. Thanks for the pointer!

    ReplyDelete
  7. The last two decades it seems like Git has captured up a lot on the user-friendliness, while Sudden has included a lot of functions motivated by git.

    ReplyDelete

Post a Comment

Popular posts from this blog

Open source CMS evaluations

I have now seen three more or less serious open source CMS reviews. First guy to hit the field was Matt Raible ( 1 2 3 4 ), ending up with Drupal , Joomla , Magnolia , OpenCms and MeshCMS being runner-ups. Then there is OpenAdvantage that tries out a handful ( Drupal , Exponent CMS , Lenya , Mambo , and Silva ), including Plone which they use for their own site (funny/annoying that the entire site has no RSS-feeds, nor is it possible to comment on the articles), following Matt's approach by exluding many CMS that seem not to fit the criteria. It is somewhat strange that OpenAdvantage cuts away Magnolia because it "Requires J2EE server; difficult to install and configure; more of a framework than CMS", and proceed to include Apache Lenya in the full evaluation. Magnolia does not require a J2EE server. It runs on Tomcat just like Lenya does (maybe it's an idea to bundle Magnolia with Jetty to make it seem more lightweight). I'm still sure that OpenAdvant

Managing dot-files with vcsh and myrepos

Say I want to get my dot-files out on a new computer. Here's what I do: # install vcsh & myrepos via apt/brew/etc vcsh clone https://github.com/tfnico/config-mr.git mr mr update Done! All dot-files are ready to use and in place. No deploy command, no linking up symlinks to the files . No checking/out in my entire home directory as a Git repository. Yet, all my dot-files are neatly kept in fine-grained repositories, and any changes I make are immediately ready to be committed: config-atom.git     -> ~/.atom/* config-mr.git     -> ~/.mrconfig     -> ~/.config/mr/* config-tmuxinator.git       -> ~/.tmuxinator/* config-vim.git     -> ~/.vimrc     -> ~/.vim/* config-bin.git        -> ~/bin/* config-git.git               -> ~/.gitconfig config-tmux.git       -> ~/.tmux.conf     config-zsh.git     -> ~/.zshrc How can this be? The key here is to use vcsh to keep track of your dot-files, and its partner myrepos/mr for o

Leaving eyeo

Thirteen blog posts later, this one notes my departure from eyeo after 4 years and 3 months. I joined eyeo around the headcount of 80 employees, and now I think there's just over 250 people there. My role coming in was as operations manager, doing a mix of infrastructure engineering and technical project management. I later on took on organizational development to help the company deal with its growing pains . We introduced cross-functional teams, departments (kind of like guilds), new leadership structures, goal-setting frameworks, onboarding processes and career frameworks.  And all of this in a rapidly growing distributed company. I'm proud and happy that for a long time I knew every employee by name and got to meet every single new-hire through training them on company structure and processes.  At some point, we had enough experienced leaders and organizational developers that I could zoom back in on working in one team, consulting them on  Git and continuous integration

Using Voice-Chat for Gamers in Distributed Teams

This is a post going into the usefulness of live voice-chat tools in distributed teams. If you've ever seen the Leeeeeroooooyy Jeeeenkiiins video of World of Warcraft fame, you've heard this kind of tool in action. It's how the participants in the video are speaking with each other - this is not a feature built into the World of Warcraft game - it's a separate team-oriented VoIP software, and it's all about letting gamers communicate orally while gaming.  Since these tools are for gamers, they have to be fast (low latency) light (as not to steal CPU-cycles from heavy games graphics)  moderate in bandwidth usage (as not to affect the game server connection) There are several options around: TeamSpeak , Ventrilo , more recently the massively grown Discord , and finally Mumble , which is the open-source alternative of the gang. A few years ago, when I joined eyeo (a distributed company), several of the operations team were avid gamers, and had a TeamSp

Joining eyeo: A Year in Review

It's been well over a year since I  joined eyeo . And 'tis the season for yearly reviews, so... It's been pretty wild. So many times I thought "this stuff really deserves a bloggin", but then it was too inviting to grab onto the next thing and get that rolling. Instead of taking a deep dive into some topic already, I want to scan through that year in review and think for myself, what were the big things, the important things, the things I achieved, and the things I learned. And then later on, if I ever get around to it, grab one of these topics and elaborate in a dedicated blog-post. Like a bucket-list of the blog posts that I should have written. Here goes: How given no other structures, silos will grow by themselves This was my initial shock after joining the company. Only a few years after taking off as a startup, the hedges began growing, seemingly almost by themselves, and against the will of the founders. I've worked in silos, and in companies wit